The Team

Angie Abdilla | Trawlwoolway
Founder & CEO

Angie Abdilla is a Palawa, (Trawlwoolway) woman who has been living and working in Sydney for over 15 years. Angie works across culture, research, strategy, and technology, using Indigenous cultural knowledges to inform service design, deep technology and placemaking for both the public and private sectors. Her published research on Indigenous Knowledge Systems, Robotics, and Artificial Intelligence was presented at the United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues. Angie and Old Ways, New have published the co-edited book Decolonising the Digital: Technology as Cultural Practice and co-founded the pioneering international Indigenous Protocols and Artificial Intelligence symposium. Angie previously lectured and led studio’s on Human/Technology inter-Relations and Futuring methodologies at the University of Technology Sydney and continues to publicaly present on the topic. Angie is a Fellow of The Ethics Centre and holds a Bachelor of Arts in Communication from the University of Technology Sydney.


Prof Keir Winesmith
Chief Technology Officer

Keir is a digital leader, strategist and theorist who has been working at the intersection of digital, culture and place for the last 15 years. In June 2018 he was included in Fast Company’s 100 Most Creative People in Business for his work in this area. Keir is the lead digital strategist and practitioner for Old Ways, New. Previously, he directed the award-winning digital department at the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art where he created and led the museum’s R&D group, SFMOMA Lab. Before moving to California, he led the digital team at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Sydney and spent 4 years working as a software developer and then technical lead within the online team at the Special Broadcasting Service (SBS). Keir is a Professor at UNSW Art & Design where he completed his Ph.D. in New Media. He holds degrees in Computer Science and Physics from the University of Sydney.


Sophia Marinos
Peoples & Projects

Sophia has worked in diverse areas of social justice and the arts and culture sectors, both internationally and locally, as a producer and organiser. She is passionate about the 60,000+ years of rich cultural life this country has to offer, about connecting humans together in real time, and also about our exquisite natural environment. From 2007 - 2018 she worked with campaigning arts organisation Big hART and most significantly was the creative producer of the award winning Namatjira project - working for 8 years alongside the Namatjira family in Western Aranda country, developing and touring an original Australian theatre work, producing the Namatjira Project documentary, delivering a grass roots workshop program and leading an historic and successful campaign to restore the copyright in Albert Namatjira’s works to his family. She continues with this work as chair of the Namatjira Legacy Trust. Sophia has also worked with Bob Brown Foundation, the Welcome Choir, Legs On The Wall and on independent speculative futures and climate change project The Things We Did Next.

Natalie Walker | Kuku Yalanji
Associate | Inside Policy

Natalie has over 15 years experience across small business, government, not for profit, and corporate sectors in various management and non-executive roles.  Natalie has tackled every role with her entrepreneurial spirit – always being driven by innovation; her desire to build something or improve something either inside companies she’s worked in or by starting new companies herself.  Her latest venture – Inside Policy – is a national collaboration of policy wonks, political operatives and technical geeks who love making the world a better place by designing new solutions to old and complex policy challenges.  Since starting in 2013, Inside Policy has advised Department of Employment, Department of Prime Minister & Cabinet, Indigenous Business Australia, Reconciliation Australia, Supply Nation, Accor, Qantas, NSW Aboriginal Housing Office, and City of Sydney.

Board of Elders & Advisors

Our Elders and Advisors guide us by instilling cultural knowledge and protocols, strengthen our leadership through cross-sectoral knowledge and experience in technology.

Mukgrrngal Wayne Armytage | Wiradjuri / Kuku Thaypan

For the last 40 years, Wayne has worked in various positions both informally and formally in Aboriginal affairs, including Life Promotions (Suicide Preventions), he has also worked as a Grief Counsellor, a Drug and Alcohol counsellor and with The Northern Rivers Aids Council as an Aboriginal men’s sexual health educator, Prison Support Officer/Investigator for the Royal Commission Into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody.  Wayne has undertaken a diploma in trauma work from Central Qld University.  He has tour managed the Mona Mona Aboriginal dance company, initiated a series of forums at the Maleny / Woodford folk festival entitled Rhythms of Reconciliation. He also chaired a series of workshops with Aboriginal elders and community leaders over a seven rear period, and was integral in the set up of the Murri camp at these venues. Along with his traditional father Mukrrngal Peter Costello, Wayne toured and held workshops throughout Europe at various venues promoting Aboriginal ways of knowing and being. Mukrrngal / Wayne has also worked as an Independent Service Provider to the education department furthering cross cultural understanding and conflict management in this area. In 1988, Wayne set up The Fourth World Foundation, with the aim of promoting culture, education and unity within an Australian context.  

Anni Rowland-Campbell
Intersticia Foundation

Anni is fundamentally an observer and practitioner of Web Science and a passionate advocate for digital literacy. She served as Research Officer to Hon. Peter Collins QC MP, then NSW Minister for the Arts, which afforded her the opportunity to contribute towards the encouragement and support of the arts at a strategic policy level.  Since 2013, Anni has been a Board Member of the Web Science Trust, helping to promote and develop Web Science internationally, and her current focus is to promote and develop “Digital Literacy“, particularly within Government and Not-for-Profit environments.  In 2015, Anni began working with New Philanthropy Capital as a member of the Steering Committee of their Digital Transformation Programme. As a complement to her consulting work Anni and her family formed the Intersticia Foundation, a Private Ancilliary Fund which supports emerging ideas and projects in the areas of education, entrepreneurship and leadership for social benefit.

Associate Professor Robert Fitch

Robert is the Deputy Director of Research at UTS and a leading research scientist in the area of autonomous field robotics. He is interested in systems of outdoor robots and their application to key problems in agriculture and environmental monitoring. Robert received the PhD in computer science from Dartmouth (USA) and worked as a Senior Research Fellow with the Australian Centre for Field Robotics (ACFR) at The University of Sydney. Robert has led research in planning and collaborative decision-making for both ground and aerial robots in a variety of government and industry sponsored projects including those in broad-acre agriculture, horticulture, bird tracking, and commercial aviation.


Catherine Wang

Catherine has over 10 years of financial experience in multinational US, UK and Australian companies bringing together wide variety of experience from her various finance roles in auditing, process improvement, ERP system implementation, Business Intelligence Tool design and implementation and financial planning and analysis.  Catherine is a strong advocate of utilising technology to increase transparency, understanding and mobility of financial content across all levels of business to enhances business decision making. She is a Certified Practising Accountant with a Bachelor’s degree in Commerce majoring in Professional Accounting from Macquarie University.